Randy Anderson is a person living in long term recovery and what that means to him is, he hasn’t had to use drugs, alcohol or any mood-altering substance since January 10, 2005. Because of his recovery he is able to have healthy relationships, obtain 2 college degrees, own a home, vote and even pay taxes, all those things “normal people” do. Randy recently started his own business so he can help people struggling with substance use disorder in a more non-traditional way. Randy is a recognized recovery and criminal justice reform advocate who has work on legislative issues and assisted in the passing of multiple pieces of legislation.
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And with me today is Randy Anderson. Randy, oh my god, the laundry list of things that you have going on is it is quite impressive. And that’s coming from someone that’s got a laundry list of themselves. But been sober since January 10 2005. Randy, how you doing?
Good. I’m fabulous. I mean, thank you for having me on today. And yeah, I think you just said something like, so everyone I know that works in this space or, or is any way involved in the prevention treatment, recovery side of addiction or the field has a long laundry list. At least those are actually I think accomplishing things. We tend to over commit ourselves. But yeah,
yeah, I’ve I’ve had some people on here where it’s like, how do you want me to even introduce you like, there’s there been some people or it’s just like, all right, best selling author, or that you did 10 years on TV, or that you have an award winning podcast, or it’s like you’re, you’re doing too good, you’re crushing it too much. So let’s get into what was your background like what, what caused you to get into recovery, everything’s good. And you decided I should get sober to what’s happening in 2005?
So, so first like to start, I just start by saying My name is Randy Anderson, and I am a person living in long term recovery. And what that means to me is I haven’t had to use any drugs or alcohol or mind altering substances, mood altering substances since January 9 2005. And because of my recovery, I’m unable to do things that I never even thought were possible. But more importantly, I have health relationships. I vote I own a home, I pay taxes, I do all those things that really normal people do, which is something that I hadn’t done in my active addiction very much. So for me, that’s really the important stuff. But how it happened for me is I think my story isn’t different, that different from a lot of people. I mean, I remember getting drunk for the first time when I was like 14 years old. And I remember how that moment is pretty clear to me that it it helped Medicaid or take away the pain that I felt, I had a I grew up in a very abusive household. I love I love my father now, but unfortunately, he grew up in a farm and, and where children were treated differently, I guess I could say, I was abused physically, emotionally, mentally, just about other than sexually, thank God, I’d never had that occur. But every other way you can imagine I probably had some abuse from my father. And it really didn’t know it, you know, as an adolescent, the damage that causes then you find something like liquor or alcohol, and all of a sudden, you have a blackout incident and you realize that it took away some pain, right? And I think that was probably the triggering moment where like, you know, they say one in 10 people have this addiction thing in their brain. Well, I think that was for me the light switch. Like once that turned on it started that path. And of course, I progress there to marijuana. I my late teens, and then I met cocaine in my early 20s. And that was what really did it for me. Once I was introduced to that drug, there was no going back. No other drugs really mattered to me anymore, although I tried probably everyone under the sun. But the one that really did it was cocaine. And that progressed pretty quickly. To where near the end of my addiction career. I was I was using or I was spending about $1,000 a day on cocaine. I was using talent bad. Yeah, right. I mean, and I don’t care what you do for a living, best paying job in the world. You can’t afford $1,000 day cocaine habit. I wasn’t by rich by any means. But I had a very successful small construction company, I was doing a lot of a lot of great, you know, construction work and making good money. Eventually, that went away and stopped working and stopped, you know, maxing out credit cards and selling off equipment and whatever it took to get money, and eventually came to the point where I was no longer able to find my addiction. And so for me, there was a point where friend of mine gotten a lot of trouble with some really bad people. And I was able to bail him out. And though that turned me into a drug dealer. And really overnight in the last year or a year and a half of my addiction, I was selling drugs primarily as my as my income. And I was paying my bills with it. I was paying my mortgage with it, I was paying my loans off. Even paying taxes with drug money. Because Funny enough, the thing I was most scared about is I didn’t even like wasn’t even scared of selling drugs to getting in trouble. I was more scared of getting audited by the IRS.
That’s how they got him.
It’s funny, I’m a huge fan of the mob. Like I’ve like that’s one part of history I’ve always loved studying in the technique you get Capone on was tax evasion, right. And so I don’t know why. But that stuck in my head, stupid, stupid thing to think about. But it was my like my biggest worry. And so anyway, so eventually, you know, did that for a while. And one day, you know, I was buying drugs from a really bad group of people from Mexico. And they had said to me, where where we’re taking a break, we had been informed that we might be getting some heat. And so they laughed, and I was I panicked, like, and I didn’t care about the money. Like I didn’t really care about selling drugs to people like I could care less I needed my drugs, I was using 10 to 14 grams of cocaine a day at that point. And there’s no way I could go without a heavy supply of my drug. So I just started finding other people, I start making phone calls. And I found someone that a connection that a friend of a friend knew from guy from California, give me the amounts that I would need to survive. And that led me to within a few weeks being rated by a DA Task Force.
Isn’t it crazy? The amount of resourcefulness we magically have when backs against the wall. Like there’s so many entrepreneurs that are like, I can’t land my first client. I can’t figure this out. I don’t understand SEO. And it’s like, well, if you have $1,000 a day cocaine habit, and your source gets cut off. Look how resourceful you are. How long did it take you to to figure that out? 48 hours 48 hours back against the wall when you have to make it work. That’s what a lot of people need back against the wall. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with the book profit first. I’ve read but I’ve heard of I think his name it’s a weird pronunciation like Mike mech mccalla with something along those lines. But basically, the idea of the book is you get your money from sales. And then twice a month, you put a you put a portion away into a profit first account and a tax account. And it’s money that you can’t touch it off on the side, but you have to make do with what’s left. So it forces you to be profitable. And it forces you to have your back against the wall. So this is essentially what you’re doing with your cocaine habit except for it’s a little different in here situation. I don’t know if if people would shine in as wonderful of a light but I like to look for silver lining and things I can see a $250,000 a year habit or I’m sorry, 365,000. I was thinking business days. But you did you did cocaine on nine business days as well. Right holidays too.
Yeah, no, it’s absolutely true. And you know, it’s funny, I was a I’m a very good I’m a very good salesman, like everywhere I’ve ever worked in sold stuff since I was 20 years old. I’m done extremely well, my first year out of prison. I made $106,000 in home, and I was working as a home improvement salesman. So you’re absolutely correct. Like I, as a counselor, I always tell clients, like if you can transfer those same skills into like, I always make a joke that I was in pharmaceutical sales for a while. But it’s the same thing. It’s like it’s absolutely so yeah, 100% those lot of those skills that we’ve used to do at the illegal activity are completely transferable into a legal business. That’s the best part.
Yeah, some of some of my best salesman of all time. I mean, you look at them, and it’s like, tattooed up and down in juvie tattoos on the face. And it’s like, over the phone. This guy is the smoothest talker in the world. And as long as we’re not doing zoom calls, video chat with the customers, it’s just like, oh, Stephen, such a nice guy. And it’s like, I mean, he is nice now that he’s sober. But I mean, it looks a little rough. But I mean, understanding that resourcefulness. And you’re exactly right. You can transfer that type of personality. It’s not just a one to one. It’s not just, I need drugs, I’m good at getting drugs. But if you set a goal, and you need to hit it, and you’re relentless about reaching it, that’s a very good strategy, not just in sales and sobriety, but just all around if you’re, if you’re shooting for something, that’s a really good strategy, do it like you’re going to die if you don’t
know 100%. I mean, it’s a Yeah, so then I got so anyways, I started selling and I got raided by a DA task force, which led me down a whole different road. I when I think about that particular day, very emotional. I remember that morning, I went out to buy my sister a new one more she had called and one more broken, I had a lot of cash. So I’m like, no problem. I’ll just go buy your new landmark go to Home Depot buy a lot more when assemble it came home. And as I pulled into my parking lot, I got surrounded by good 10 or 12 vehicles. And of course, they were DA all over their bulletproof vest and guns drawn and police dogs and all that stuff. And I went up to a brick, they called me up to my condominium where they were already done pretty much searching it and locate all the drugs. And you know, of course I smart enough at that time, probably where I just said, you know, they are threatening you, you’re going to get five years for this five years for this five minute laundry list right off the bat, you’re looking there, you know, my tender done, you’re looking at telling you like you’re going to serve 25 years in prison. And you’re not that first words out of my mouth. After all that was like, I would like to see a lawyer. And then and then that ends the questioning. However, though, so, you know, I always say, fast forward through a few things. They did allow me one thing I remembers, I got to go to treatment while I was in it. So I was on pretrial release. And my sister had said, Hey, you should go get a real 25, which is an assessment tool in Minnesota to get treatment. And so what is that, you know, so they came to the jail, they did an assessment, they referred me to a treatment program. They let me out of jail to go to treatment. I wasn’t a role model client, I relapsed on drugs, the treatment center at high and the treatment center, I got sent back to jail a couple times. I broke all the rules. Except for I didn’t mess with the female clients. That was one rule I just lying lower for whatever reason I knew I shouldn’t ism.
Isn’t that the whole point of rehab to bring drugs to people? I mean, that’s your that’s your target demographic, the people that want to get clean, but are still kind of on the fence. I mean, you’re basically shooting fish in a barrel at that point, but not hooking up with clients. You’re not taking. That’s what everybody does. I mean, my my story was different than that in treatment. But I mean, that was pretty much what everyone was doing. I digress. So you’re going through and you’re selling drugs,
I was drugs back to get high. I did take another client down with me. I had a roommate and purse. I told him I had these drugs and a lot of a lot of bad things led up to this, like I got a vehicle stolen, and I just decided I got the efforts. And like whatever, I’ll just get high. And so I one thing I didn’t do, I didn’t sell drugs, but I didn’t bring a significant amount of drugs, the treatment center. And of course we got I got caught my took my roommate down with me. We got i got i got i had to send it. Here’s the funny thing of that. So that was Sunday, Tuesday, I had sentencing for my for my federal case. And I go to the courtroom and the judge says, Hey, hello, Mr. Anderson. I heard you had a rough weekend. I’m like, Wow, he knows about this. I didn’t know they shared that information, of course. And so he said did you take a ua when you got here as did he goes, you know the results? I don’t. He says well, you tested positive for cocaine and because of that I’m not going to allow anyone under the influence of a substance to sign any plea agreement. Mr. Marshals, will you please take Mr. Anderson into custody? they arrested me right there in the courtroom. Wow. Like no way did I know that was going to happen? I was all prepared. And now that I work and treatment I know how that works. Like that happens. Like that’s what happens right? So anyways, uh, eventually though, I you know, I remember getting released and I got assigned to a new counselor. And I’ll never forget, this is probably the day that I decided to at least give recovery a shot or sobriety however you like to word it so I was in the UAE bathroom at the same treatment center. They let me come back to the residential program. And Senior counselor gentleman by the name Mark Lindgren, amazing man who’s been to prison and done like his story is like you think your stories significant and to hear someone else’s story you’re like, holy crap. So I know he’s He’s worthy you a bathroom, it just starts ripping into me like you’re the dumbest mother ever I’ve ever met. You, you what you have a federal case pending, you got a state charge. You’re bringing drugs to a treatment center. You’re taking clients down with you. And this goes, You know what, I don’t know why I’m wasting my breath. Because this recovery ship isn’t for you. And I thought that was the that was the line that changed it for me because so I’m very competitive. I grew up in I grew up in an athletic household where my dad would say things to me, there’s no such no one remembers who won second place and second places for losers and all that stuff. So that was kind of the Father switch, he clicked in my head, like, Don’t tell me what I can’t do. And so I decided, like, I’m just going to start listening. And next thing I know, I was like doing recovery. The unfortunate thing was, after all that, and I completed about 10 months, I will say it took me 10 months to complete a 60 day program. That’s what I supposed to go to treatment for Ms. 60 days, but overall, it took about 10 months, which is really when people need and I remember they’ll go into sentencing. And this is probably by far the worst day of my entire life is the judge says, you know, Mr. Anderson, I see they’ve completed treatment. And you know, I’ve got a lot of letters from community members, you’re you know, you’re volunteering here there go stuff for the all those good reasons, I’m going to give you a break. Today, I’m going to sentence you on the lowest level of your of your of your level, you know, lowest month on your level, and those of us involved with the criminal justice. And there’s a staircase that we all very intimately familiar with. And it’s the sentencing guidelines. And he says I’m going to send into the 87 months in prison. And I thought wow, so I’m I’m a first time nonviolent drug offender with no criminal history, and you’re gonna put me in prison for at seven months. I mean, those, like, I just couldn’t believe it. And that was probably Yeah, that worst day I call I remember leaving there and calling my counselor and saying I’m done when you’ll get high. And he convinced me to come to coffee with him. And I knew I shouldn’t have went because I knew he’s going to talk me out of it. And he did. But I stayed sober ever since I’m tick. Yeah, what right? I know, I just wanted to go like, honestly, I mean, I’m not I hit. I was like this could end my life. And I really wouldn’t get to that point. I mean, really, I’m not gonna go to prison for seven plus years. And like, What do I care? Like, what does it matter anymore? But he convinced me otherwise. And thank God he did. And I’ve been, you know, in recovery sense. And fortunately, I had to go to prison. And I always say, I was fortunate I only served just a little under 16 months. So just a little under five years. When I was think back, though, I mean, my maximum sentence for all the felonies for the three felonies was 156 months. So to serve just under 60. I probably say it’s a blessing. And if people are like, Are you kidding me? I’m like, I’m not like I’m lucky back then. Because it could have been way worse. And However, no now so I worked with criminal justice reform. I’m a board member for the Minnesota Second Chance coalition. And I didn’t realize the racial disparities that exist until you know, I saw it in prison but I wasn’t it didn’t make sense to me like why are people with the same exact or similar crimes as mine, however, they’re not white. Getting they got the hundred eight months, like I got the 87 months August, the same bracket, but they got the pitch just basically because they were black. So I was saying thank god, I’m wife. I mean, that’s probably the reason why I didn’t get even worse, because it could have been way worse for me. But yeah, so I didn’t prison. I got out and I started to get my life back. You know?
I just I don’t it’s funny when you’re in prison. There’s a lot of doom and gloom and they tell you just expect less. You have three felonies now you’re not things are going to be more difficult for you. You know, and I’m, like beat both crap. I don’t expect less like I shoot. Hi, I’m a classic overachiever. Right? And, and I I started I got six I was successful. I did that not a prison, I had to take a telemarketing job and more very humbling to make be in your 40s making 850 an hour sitting sitting at a phone for eight hours a day making appointments for sales guys, which that used to be me, like, so here I am. I did it as a requirement of my halfway house. And once I did finish that I got it back into sales and was successful. My I wasn’t wasn’t my wife wasn’t very fulfilling, but I was paying my bills and getting my life back. Then one day I just got, I was at a job and another I switched jobs a couple times I was doing well. But the owner and I got a little disagreement. He fired me. And that was a eye opener. I’d never been fired from a job in my life. And that’s something my lovely wife said maybe it’s time to change paths, like so that’s when I enrolled in college. I will say the second scariest day of my life, was driving a college. The first was driving a prison. I was 43 years old. I thought there’s no way I have a GED that I got was incarcerated. There’s no possible way I can go to college and be successful. Well, I you know, I’ll say God, and whatever your God is puts people in your life. Sometimes they have more faith in you than you have in yourself. I’m lucky I’ve had a lot of people in my life like that. And my wife is one of those and she knew it. She knew I could be successful. She pushed me she she I will say she coerced me or convinced me that it may be carbs Good idea. But I went and I completed five years and got two degrees and licensed com drug counselor and but going to college is probably the biggest thing that ever occurred to me, I opened my world up to things like criminal justice reform and the recovery community and just a whole host of things I don’t think I would have ever had access to had I not went to college. To be honest, I think that was a huge change for me. So I was a really quick overview of like a seven year span. But that’s kind of what what it was likes. And that’s and today I get to do really incredible things. I mean, I’ve led route March marches and rallies in front of the White House and in front of the Health and Human Services Building in washington dc in front of Purdue pharma headquarters in front of the Arthur Sackler museum and the Smithsonian if I mean, just like things like really, that’s my life, like I if I’m work with Senator Amy clover chars in her office, and she was the prosecuting attorney for my state case in 2004. And she and I used to hate that woman, her signature was all about seizure papers. And now I work closely with her to try to help pass new legislation, I detected an opioid epidemic and like, Wow, really, this is my life. I mean, I sit on credible, so on board for my local sheriff. So the Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office, I’m a community advisory board member. And we are at our first meeting about six weeks ago. And we are taking photographs for our ID badge to get in and out of the building. And I shared with my board members that last time I was in this building, getting a photograph taken, I was being booked into custody. And now I’m taking taking a photograph to get in and out of the building. I mean, really these this is like, oftentimes, I think it’s just this is a really a dream. And I’m just like going to wake up and none of it will be true, honestly, feels like
I have I have a friend who he was he was I forget what the the position was. But he was basically at the ribbon cutting ceremony on a new prison. And that night, he was the first person incarcerated in that same prison.
Yeah, so fast forward a bit to where we’re at today. I’m curious, what does your morning ritual look like? Is there any sort of routine that happens?
Whether I like it or not, I’m usually up by about five or 530. That’s why I’m usually in bed fairly early. Because if I go to bed at two in the morning, or nine at night, I’m still waking up at five or 530. So to get my sleep, I try to be in bed well for 10 o’clock. Anyway. So I get up and I get my coffee. I actually and I jump right on in my laptop, almost the first thing I do every morning is I do run seven social media accounts. So I get on there and I check the alerts. I see what’s going on the news. They know of course, I get my Google alerts for my, the washington post stuff. And I have like setup for of course, I as many of my friends know, I’ve been adamant about organizations taking pharmaceutical money. So I have Google Alerts set up to alert me of anything new information that might be coming out. I kind of check those alerts a funny thing that one of my friends favorite rituals every morning as I go on my Facebook and I I wish everyone that’s birthday is that day a happy birthday. Like no matter what, with how well we know each other not, not, you know, you’re 4700 friends on Facebook, but it’s, you know, 10 to 15 people every day, that’s their birthday. And I just think it’s really cool to start the day with like to say, hey, happy birthday, and then I and then you know, feed, take my dog out quickly. And then I just get you know, I have like somebody else I’ll get paid for a lot of the stuff I do. Because right now a lot of it’s just voluntary, but I that’s how that’s how my day starts every day. It’s just really right here, right where I’m sitting right now for the first couple of hours returning emails, checking social media alerts, seeing what’s happening on in the world. And that’s how I spend the first couple hours almost every day.
So with all those things on your plate, do you have any sort of tools that you use for your productivity? Or is it all just up in your head?
Yeah, it’s mostly up here. My it’s funny people also really good friend of mine channel, Donal, who we were together for a couple years. He’s Ryan Hamptons, a partner. Sean is one of those really organized guys that has like those kinds of things you’re talking about. And he’s tried to get me into using that. And it’s just I don’t know, how, you know, like Hootsuite and things like that, like, all the time, like you should really I’m still haven’t done it. Like, I just still keep doing it just on the fly and out of my head.
Yeah, I have a just a reminder each Monday to fill up the buffer queue, but buffer Hootsuite, it’s all the same thing.
It is and I probably should learn because it’s probably going to probably make my life a lot easier. But well,
the the idea behind it is that you’re bashing all of the all of the work that you’re doing. It’s just bashed all at once. So you could sit down for an hour and set up all seven social media accounts for the next week or two weeks. And then all you’re doing is just responding to the responses from the people that see it. And as long as it’s not time sensitive. And I mean, it depends. I mean, if there’s breaking news, obviously, this strategy doesn’t work. But if there’s like a rhetorical question that that’s trying to get engagement and things like that, that’s that’s one of those things, but everybody’s got their own path. But I’ve I’ve been a fan of buffer for the last couple years. And someone someone else had told me they’re like, yeah, Facebook punishes it, and you need to be doing it manually. So neither here nor there. I mean, everyone’s got their This is the rules, or it’s not the rules or
the night. The nice thing is I mean, honestly, so when you follow folks like Ryan Hampton, on Facebook, or other people that are really socially engaged, they post great content, and you can just steal it all the time. I mean, honestly, and it’s not I mean, it really that’s what that’s an easy strategy, like, Are you certain pages that have the information I need for my pages? I just follow those pages. And they’re posting daily all the time. So like, Oh, great, I’ll just share that to my page. And I don’t know that that strategy has been working, I probably could find more efficient ways for sure.
Just like everything in life, but what are some of the routines that you have just in your day to day that kind of guides you through? Or is it all just like you are on top on fire? 24 seven.
So what I really like to do is every day, so I mean, I am, you know, a four or five times a week, I’m having some type of lunch or coffee with people in the recovery community, like just to stay engaged, can see how I can get them engaged. Because there’s, you know, I don’t know if I it’s like, people ask me all the time, I don’t have a set routine. It comes to me. I mean, it’s I’m scheduling like funny things when people try to schedule a coffee with me right now. And I’m scheduling three weeks out to have coffee with somebody because that’s how my crazy life is like, my Google calendar is just ridiculous. And I’m like sign the calendar doesn’t exist for me in my life. My wife and I made that agreement. So but it’s just really I’m like, I’m just always mean things that are important. So I know one of the things I just said part time gig I just started which I think is really cool. So I’m the peer recovery specialist for the Ramsey County treatment court, peer recovery specialist supervisor for the Ramsey County treatment court. So that’s a specialty courts, which drug drug courts, I don’t like calling them drug courts that I wish they were called recovery courts myself. But that’s really cool. I mean, in 2004, I was a participant in the Hennepin County drug court. And now I’m a supervisor. Hennepin County is our largest county, Ramsey County is our second largest county. Now I’m a supervisor in one of those same courts. It’s like really, is this another one of those full circle moments? like are you kidding me? I was one of the kids, the kids at baseball camp that like become the coach.
yeah, so uh, but so that keeps so I have that twice a week now. And I know my local our CEO, Minnesota recovery connection, who I love and I’ve been involved with since I went College in 2014. I do use they have a free space. So I do a lot of stuff on the other side of the river. I call them in Minneapolis there in St. Paul. But a lot of my stuff occurs in St. Paul. So I’ll just go over there and hang out for a couple hours and return emails and just kind of get the just the, for me being in that space when the and I know it’s all recovery orientated. And it just feels good and it feels at home. I don’t know if I have a specific routine. It’s kind of me, Mike, if I look at my calendar, now my dislike this week is other than today, I’m a dentist appointment, which I am scared to death away. But my week is already booked out like I have everything scheduled. And there’s not I don’t waver from that schedule. A lot of my something cancels or like that. So that’s kind of maybe that’s my routine. It just getting my week scheduled in advance.
Yeah, I was just gonna say I mean, if we dig a bit like your tool that you use is the calendar.
My wife and I, we have an agreement, like both of us, if it’s not on the calendar, it doesn’t exist. And so, uh, that’s I mean, we obviously share our calendars. But that’s super important for our lives. Like, if anything, even if it’s even if it’s going to dinner, we make sure it gets on the calendar. So it’s definitely blocked off. There’s no question, neither must schedule something over it, blah, blah, things like that. So yeah.
So do you have any books that you recommend to people for trying to either improve their lives or good resources for recovery?
So I mean, at first, it’s enough, I say, I have the attention span of a gnat. And I don’t like to read i a lot. So I shouldn’t that’s so bad way to phrase that I don’t like to read books. I read tons of articles every day. Like I bet if if I put together all the articles I read the day, they’re probably equal some type of book. I just can’t sit down and read like a book. I love audio books, like if it’s an audio Great, so they’re obviously so I think the one that I want that I’ve heard or listened to recently that I Ryan Hamptons, book American fix. Like if you haven’t read that. It’s not only talks about the opium epidemic that our country is facing, but it talks about the addiction crisis, because really, like, I know, we’re hyper focused on opioids right now. And I get that, you know, with 70,000 people dying every year, we should be hyper focused on opioids. But we really have an addiction crisis that we can’t once the once we solve the opiate epidemic, and we will, because we’re a smart country will figure it out where we at, there’s already a meth epidemic that no one’s talking about. We’ve had an alcohol epidemic for how long we have a pornographic epidemic upon epidemic repeat. You know, we have gambling problems. I mean, so we really, I think, as I we need to figure out the addiction thing better, like we don’t, and I’m, you know, I’m one of those I pushed back against the treatment system a lot. And even though it worked for me, what currently some of our systems, but I’m sick and tired of blaming the client or the patient for all of our misfortunes. Like they haven’t hit bottom yet. They they’re not ready like bull crap. Like we’re saying those things. We’re killing people, like what am I doing wrong as a as a coalition? And what is my What is my program during doing wrong as a programmer, we can’t get these people that help they the proper, the right help they need. So not not saying as a person you had don’t have some personal responsibility for that. But we as an industry also have a responsibility for that. So I think Ryan Hampton, his book, American fix talks a lot about that. And I think it’s a great read, if you haven’t used it, everyone should check it out.
And I’ll be sure to have the links on the show notes afterwards. For anybody that’s looking to check that book out. And I know I’ll be doing it myself. So I mean, we touched briefly on the system itself needs to be tailored better, but if somebody is in recovery, or new to recovery, what strategies would you recommend that they take in their own hands to get sober?
Yeah, so I mean, get connected, I think I mean, you know, I’m not a, I don’t like john Hardy’s title, the what we thought we knew about addiction, we’re all wrong. That title, it’s not true. We do not like about addiction, and it’s not all wrong. But what I do agree with him on is the opposite of addiction is connection. And you can’t, what happens in early recovery. So we come out of treatment, or whatever help we got, and we have this recovery bubble where all of a sudden, wow, everything looks, rainbows and butterflies and all this stuff. And then it dies off quickly, right? And our life starts to go back. And all of a sudden, we’re bored. And we don’t know what to do. So and the problem is because we’re not making new connections, like we’re not becoming connected to those recoveries resources, like there’s tons of in today’s world, there’s probably parts of the country where it’s not great. It’s like, I have a friend in Montana, who complains all the time. But here like in Minnesota, we have an amazing recovery community that is even get engaged to but it’s not going to come to you like right, you can’t just sit there and wait in your living room or your your at your desk and like, Okay, come come to me now. No, it doesn’t work that way. You have to go get it, like just like you did for your drugs, or alcohol or whatever it is, you went and sought it out. Yeah, do the same for recovery. Like, and it doesn’t take as much effort is getting high. Because let me I mean, until we all time getting high for me was a was like two full time jobs. I mean, you know, procuring drugs, getting the money for drugs, buying the drugs, you know, whatever, all that stuff, like, you put half of that energy that you use to to end your addiction into recovery. And it’s actually pretty easy. So I tell people just get connected, like, go like, go go to, you know, so me, I’m a little look, I like going to the capital, if I’m really bored. When that when it’s legislative time, I’ll go sit in the hearing, like I’ll look at the hearing loss for the day, Oh, this looks cool. I want to go learn more about this. It will send me here your own. But that’s I’m as an advocate, like, that’s, that’s my recovery is like I love advocacy. So I mean, I just it just whatever it is for you. But you got to find it, you got to find it early and quick. Like but get connected, there’s plenty of opportunity, at least like I said, in my area, there’s a lot but
you can’t just sit back and wait. Not to mention also like if someone’s interested in 12 step recovery, like the whole premise of all of it is making people feel welcome so that they can get connected in different groups have different philosophies and stuff. And some, some are more welcoming than others. And some but I mean, I’d say in general, you go to a 12 step meeting. And if you raise your hand and say, I’m an alcoholic, I have no friends, I need help. The response will be at least nine times out of 10 will be people coming up to you and offering help. Here’s my phone number. Do you want to get coffee? That’s great that you’re in recovery? Do you have a sponsor? Do you? Do you have a big book do you have whatever the case is. But that’s been my experience in 12 step recovery is people are very, very willing to help, especially the ones that have good recovery. So it also weeds out because the people that have kind of shoddy kind of just show up and do whatever recovery, they’re not the ones who are offering to help the people who are in need of help. So look, literally by surrendering, you win. And I think that’s that’s great, great advice. Get connected. That’s the way that you can grow your network. And, you know, being able to pick up the phone and call somebody who has the experience that you do, because I’m sure a lot of people who have been to prison, they’ll they’ll get out and be like, nobody understands my story. And then you’re like I do yours. Here was mine. And this is what I did to get out. Because we’re the only kind of people that somebody down in a hole. And they’re trying to get out all the doctors family, they’re all the top giving directions. But the addicts alcoholics were the ones that jump in and say I’ve been in this hole, here’s what I did to get out and taking people through. I think that’s, I mean, that’s the whole basis of all of it. And moving moving forward, though. What’s one thing that a business owner, entrepreneur, someone who’s working their way up the ladder? What’s one thing that they can do that by doing it will make everything else easier or unnecessary?
Ask for help. Ask for help. Serious even in my business like so I’m lucky I over the last five years or so I’ve been doing the work I currently am doing. I’ve I’ve amassed an amazing network not only locally, but nationally. And when I need something, someone in my network knows it like it’s just and I’m not afraid like honestly, if I am looking for something, I’ll just throw it on Facebook when they say hey, I need this. Who can I need a bookkeeper for whatever, it’s in 20? In second in seconds, you have 20 responses, like oh, yeah, here’s here’s a person or here’s the issue. Here’s a connection here. I mean, don’t but don’t be afraid. Like if you don’t know what it’s okay. Like, there’s people that do though that’s the best part is like asked for help no matter what it is. I don’t care. Don’t be afraid to ask for help. Don’t let your ego getting away. Are people you know that? Well, this is a really dumb question. I’m not there’s no such thing as a dumb question. You just don’t you’re asking is you don’t know the answer, right? I mean,
it’s definitely a good shortcut, especially if you’ve got people in your network, who know the answer. I mean, there’s no, there’s no downside to at least hearing someone else’s experience with something. I mean, why? Why have to go through it yourself just to learn? Man, I really should have gotten a lawyer to do that contract. Now that I got screwed over in this deal. I mean, that was that was for me. I had a giant acquisition with a company and it was just Well, this guy seems like a good guy will have a handshake deal. We don’t have to get a lawyer involved. I mean, you know, it’s, yeah, it’s whatever. And then, you know, I look at the opportunity cost from not doing it and easily 10s, probably hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue, because we didn’t have a signature on what our agreement was. So, you know, I would have preferred if someone said, Oh, you’re doing an acquisition, you should get a lawyer but me my ego and my experience, I had nine before that, where a handshake was fine. They wanted to get out and you know, handshake, here’s the deal. But this one in particular, I didn’t have a non compete, signed, I didn’t have a I didn’t have anything sign that said he wouldn’t just start back up. And, you know, it is what it is. I’ve learned from my mistake. But now when I hear people, I’m in the middle of a merger acquisition, I say, you should get a lawyer is it. It’s just this old lady. And she’s just trying to get I was like, I don’t care. I told myself that I’d have a lot more money now had I spent the money on the lawyer. But you know, and everybody was telling me, you should do it, you should do it. And I said, No, no, I’ve got experience where it didn’t work. So everyone’s experience is different. But for anyone that’s looking to grow their business through merger and acquisition, get a lawyer, that’s worth it.
Did when I started my business Six, five months ago, the first thing she says get an accountant like help, they’ll help you set up QuickBooks they’ll give you they’ll give you the and it’s whatever 20 I get a really low 20 bucks a month plan. But it’s great like anytime I have a question to I email her she emails right back here. And you know if she was in charge me it was just an email. If I had to meet face to face, there’s a little bit but it Thank God I like did that I don’t know how I would have manage finances without just simple things like QuickBooks. And I’m glad I had someone to help me set that up. Because I couldn’t. Yes,
ask for help. Find people that know what you do not know who have success doing it. And just copy paste success leaves clues. And it’s literally that easy.
But I love one thing just quick is that the it’s the recovery community. Like we’re in every we’re in every circle, like there are people and I love utilizing that. And they want to help like that. Because part of our I think the way we we only keep what we have by giving it away, right? And however that looks I can look like lot of different ways. So that’s the cool part is people in recovery are just they’re so willing, I think sometimes too willing, I find you know, because like we pay bills. So sometimes we let that willingness get away of us doing paying our bills, but I love that’s the service work sometimes just that advice is is so crucial.
That’s incredible. I couldn’t agree with you anymore. But Randy, in wrapping up, it’s been great episode, where can people find you online?
So I mean, I’m on Facebook is obviously an easy place to find me, Randy Anderson, you’ll usually see me in some provocative t shirt or hopefully a megaphone or something like that. So pretty easy to find me. I do have a business now called bold North recovery and consulting. So it’s www dot bold North recovery and consulting. com. I know it’s a long drawn name. I didn’t want to be pigeonholed to a treatment center. So that’s why I added the consulting part of the end. Yeah, I mean, that’s the easiest place to find me. There’s contact me on those on both, you know, Facebook Messenger, right? I use all forms of communication on Twitter, Instagram, not on I have a Snapchat account, which I don’t use, but But uh, but yeah, Facebook is probably the easiest way or through my website, bold North recovery and consulting. com.
Perfect. Well, Randy, it was great having you on the show for everybody listening. Be sure to check out Randy and all the things that he’s doing. Subscribe to the show. Give us some feedback, comment on whatever platform you’re listening to it on. And Randy, thanks for being on self made and sober.
Thank you so much. It was a pleasure to be here. And yeah, it was awesome. Thank you.