With me today is the sober bro. Roman Braley.
he is an entrepreneur business owner hip hop artist podcaster author, public speaker star of a documentary and the current program director at the Haven at Pismo said it’s pronounced Pismo.
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Yes, above all. I have a sober man and recovering.
my man. I’m glad to be here. Thanks for having me on.
Yeah, a hundred percent. So you got sober in 2012 and you’ve just been crushing it for the last seven some years.
Yeah, man. You know,
sobriety has been the single greatest thing that ever happened
Right. And, you know, I’ve been trying to get sober since
And I went to my first 12 step meeting when I was 15.
To support a really good friend of mine, he said that he had been going to meetings and looking for some support. And so I went with them. And the whole time I was at this meeting, people were speaking, talking, and I was like, wow, I’m so proud of my friend for doing this, you know, and at the end of the meeting, a bunch of people came up to me, and they knew my name. And they were like, We’re so glad that you’re here. We’re happy that you’re here. Here’s some information about more meetings and the literature and this and that and that somebody came up and said, you know, I’d like to be your sponsor to do it. And I was like, Wait a second. Wait, wait, no, I’m here to support my friend, but apparently my friend and been going there for a couple of weeks.
Trying to seek out a way to help me. Right? So it’s all this big, big boy to get me in the room.
So How bad was your addiction in order for him to try to pull that off what was going on in your life? Well, this was very, very early.
My addiction phase. I was at this time I was just drinking but the drinking was, it was to the point where it’s out of control every time you know, there was no fun anymore. No excitement. I was starting to dabble in harder drugs. At this time, I was getting kicked out of high school as well. And it was just, you know, things went rapidly downhill and a very short period of time in high school.
And yeah, he got me at the front end of that. You know, it took a lot of it took many years, a lot more consequences, losing a lot of things.
A lot more pain and suffering before I finally stepped into
a 12 step meeting
and what were some of the consequences that you were facing from the time when you went to the first one to where you gave up?
Well, you know, I,
for a long time, I had a really rough childhood. Right. I grew up in the foster care system. I was working for the state. My father was a habitual prison.
vacationer and my mother. She was a hardcore drug addict. And I was actually born in treatment. While my mom opened treatment. She was 15 when she was born addicted to methamphetamine.
When I was born, and yeah, I spent the first couple years living with him.
you know, I suffered from physical abuse, sexual abuse, molestation,
neglect, abandonment, verbal abuse, there would be times for weeks on end, my mom would just leave me alone at the house. So.
So through all that I really, I really developed behavioral issues, right? behavioral issues. And so while I was in school, I was just the worst kid. And my life changed when I was 12 years old. I was adopted by a loving family here in the Central Coast, California, and they absolutely changed my life but for a long time I held on to that pain that hurt my childhood, that trauma, and it manifested
and at the only reason I say that
was because that was my excuse. Right? That was my excuse to drink and do drugs the way that I wanted to do it, regardless of who got hurt in the process, regardless of even my own safety or well being, you know, so I went from
I went from when I was adopted, I became a straight-A student. I really turned my life around of doing good I excelled in sports. I played hockey at a very high level. I was traveling all over the world playing hockey. And as soon as I drank alcohol for the first time
zone, when I had my first drink
and immediately I knew that this was the thing that was going to erase the pain, the misery, make me feel like I’m part of, and make me forget all of that trauma. And, again, I use all that trauma, meditate as an excuse. So from the minute I started drinking, I was
Was I was hooked. I wanted more. Right? It’s often said that alcoholism
is a manifestation of three things, right? That’s mind body spirit, basically that the mind, do you have a mental obsession? The body? Do you have a physical allergy that manifests the craving craves? And the Spirit is spiritual knowledge, right. So the very first time I drank alcohol, my addiction or alcoholism manifested in those three things. I had the mental obsession. Right off the bat, I wanted more I needed more. The kids I was drinking with were like, gross. I can’t do this. Like more, more more, right? I had a physical crazy that was uncontrollable, right, which led me from alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine, to opiates, to hallucinogens to everything.
anything I could get my hands on? Very, very quickly. So when my friend took me to the meeting for the first time that you know, 1415,
I went to no part of it because what they were talking about was they were talking about breaking up a relationship between me and my best friend, my lover. My,
basically the only good thing going on in your life that gets you out of yourself. That’s the one thing that they’re telling you to like, you’ve got to stop doing the only good part of your life. Is that sort of how you interpreted it. Yeah, and this was years before I really even thought that there might be a problem. Right? So there’s, there’s this thing called the stage stages of change. Basically, it’s the cycle that everyone goes through and deciding whether or not they’re going to change and there are different stages.
There’s pre-contemplation, which is basically and not even thinking about it. There’s contemplation, which is now I’m thinking about it, then this preparation which be preparing to change, then there’s action, which means I’m actually changing. So for a very long time, I was in the pre-contemplation stage. I didn’t even think there was a problem. Nothing was wrong. And, in fact, alcohol was the only thing that was. It was reliable. It always worked and never felt. never needed it. It was there. Right? So I get kicked out of high school. I’m a mess. Trouble with a lot. I decided to try the homeless thing out. I jumped trains travel all over northern California, drinking, partying, crazy homeless people and river beds. And it all came to a screeching halt. And I picked up a charge for assault on a police officer. And now sitting there in juvenile hall.
17 years old, and I was facing either going to jail for a long time or
joining the military. Now me despite my affliction with alcoholism and addiction, I am a survivalist right. I want to I want to live I don’t want to be locked up. So I take the deal I joined the United States Marine Corps, and I go off to to camp and I do that now in the process of joining the Marine Corps.
I love you guys know this but the Marine Corps is a fraternity
very, very much enjoys drinking, right. So my drinking just skyrocketed. And in that process, I
still know consequences, but I started to feel the physical effects of alcohol.
Shake all the time. Waking up with Trevor
I feel I felt like my stomach hurt all the time. No.
So what was the final catalyst where you were just like, I can’t keep doing this anymore? Or was it just another
consequence and just kind of this time it’s stuck what’s happening in 2012? Yeah, so basically the short, the short version is this but I do my military bang. I get kicked out for drug juice. I go from cocaine to heroin. I get locked up. I go to prison. Two and a half years, my best friend overdose in my bathroom. I go back to prison. I get out of prison, homeless in San Diego. On for all. I’m living on the streets and living under this bridge. And I realized that
The people in the meetings. Were Right. Right. I have this activity. They were on to something.
So all I have to My name is a backpack
with some clothes, and my skateboard.
And I states have seven or eight meetings a day, downtown. Fantastic. I’m just kidding all over San Diego going to meetings, but unable to not drink it.
Right. So I’m drinking in between meetings. I’m not sharing at the meetings. I’m sitting in the back, but I’m taking completing, I’m searching. I need help. I’m desperate. I’m willing to do anything. And I’m living under this bridge. And every single night I pray to God, that that, that there’s an earthquake in the bridge politics collapsed on because I was just done with life. I couldn’t find a solution. I didn’t think it was possible. And I was resigned from the way of living. I was resigned to the fact that I was getting
Died alcoholic death, or end up going to prison for the rest of my life. And so I was praying that the bridge follow me so that I would do that. But I wanted people to feel sorry for me. So I wouldn’t be like a tragedy like they write in the newspaper like, poor, kill us by Street Bridge accident, you know, like I wanted people to feel sorry. And some go into this meeting in San Diego, and I, for whatever reason to old-timers, because I’ve been coming around what you did, and I’m like, but it’s like, Well, I’m glad you’re here. And for whatever reason, it is a little bit older than that gentleman, listen, I just wanted to die. I don’t want to live anymore, wants to die. And I told the story about the bridge and how I pray.
And in one sentence, he changed my life.
This man looked me in the eye. He said Roman. You don’t want to die.
Which I thought was strange. I just told my dead. But he said, You don’t want it.
You want to stop living the life that you’ve been living? You don’t know that you have other options.
And he took me by the hand and he said, Well, maybe you have other options. And in that point, it’s the first time in my entire life that I ever, ever thought that there was another option.
And in that moment, I told that man, I’m willing to go to any lengths to get what he has. I checked myself into treatment. I’ve been doing it ever since. Wow, isn’t it I bet you that there’s been opportunities and times in your life where people had said something similar to that, but it’s one of those like, you were in that exact moment at that exact time, willing to hear that exact message. And what did early sobriety look like? Because I mean, you’d been back and forth for a bit was it just like you surrendered and then it got
Yeah, basically, man, I surrender to a process that I was pretty familiar with, because I’ve been going to meetings for so long. So I knew what people did. I knew what they said I knew how they acted. So it was very difficult for me in that and that’s my problem. No with all the other things, right, all the things outside issues. Right. years of trauma and abuse had manifested itself in some severe behavioral issues. Right. And
they weren’t addressing my sponsors. It wasn’t an interesting
point that I needed. So I needed to go to therapy. So I checked myself into therapy
to deal with those
issues that I was struggling with, but, you know, really early Friday.
I think your conversation that I had
lay the groundwork for the next seven years to be the person I am today. And it was while I was a treatment, you know, I was still active. So I’m still being addicted people still breaking the rules and it’s not pleasant to be with, and
people would follow me. So I’d have like a group of other degenerates. They would just follow me and be so convicted. And I was sat down by this counselor, Counselor, the Roman, I don’t know why, in God’s world, you have leadership quality.
I don’t know why people follow you. All everywhere you go and do whatever you do. But you have charisma and you have and you have a, you have an opportunity and a responsibility. Whether you like it or not, you have a responsibility because you are sober and therefore you are
You are the image
you are what people are going to associate with. And not only that, you’re tearing people down.
When you’re building them up, you are a leader in this mess that they’re our telling me how I was the first time I heard that, but for whatever reason resonated me. So my attitude changed, right? Every single day, I would read a page out of the basic deck.
All About acceptance, acceptance of the answer my problems, right? And I realized that my problems were.
And if I could just flip the switch and act as a leader rather than a rebel, my life would change it has.
Since that day, I’ve strived in every aspect of life, every area of life, to be a leader and taking trainings
have done seminars and workshops, and I’ve built businesses, all about leadership. Leadership is one of the things that I’m really passionate.
And what are some of the resources that are like your go to as far as leadership goes?
there’s a leadership training San Diego
Leadership Academy, and that really was the
that was the first my first jump into actual leadership and transformation and learning emotional intelligence and motivational intelligence. And then starting to read some books. You know, Rich Dad, Poor Dad is a great book, I started to read the power of now. I started to really
study manifestation, alive attraction and I would go to work
I was listening to a podcast, and I would just seek out more information. Someone told me one time, somebody was much smarter. Scientist, right? He told me Listen, rubber, humans, our only job, the only thing that we have to do is grow. From the moment that the sperm hits the egg conception happens. Our only job is to grow physically, mentally and emotionally. And the moment that we stop growing is the moment we start dying. It says the reason you see some people are 80 years old, and they’re on fire for life. And other people are 30 years old, and they’re just miserable.
And so it’s been my, one of my biggest goals is to continue to grow, no matter how small or big on a daily basis. Well, a little bit more than I did yesterday.
That’s such a really cool way to look at growth. I’d never heard that before. Once we stopped growing, is when we start dying, and I
I’ve seen that a lot, in my experience as well. And it’s funny to that early recovery was where someone had given you the, or early recovery was the first time that someone said to you, you are a leader. And that that was my experience as well. When I was in treatment, I had to write like a letter, like a goodbye letter to alcohol, something like that. And then, you know, in small group, everyone that goes around, they’re like, Oh, I love how like, there was passion in that message. And one of the ladies she’s like, You’re such a strong leader in the community. And I was like, What are you talking about? Like, I’m the dude that
I don’t possess leadership qualities. And then it like she said that and I was just like, Oh, you know, she’s just another person that’s wrong. But as I started growing in recovery to it’s a completely different world, and I’m a completely different person, I don’t know about you, but I mean, the person who is here today
Today is nothing like the person who would read that note back in 2013. So how did you get into entrepreneurship and working with those businesses? Did it fall into your lap? Was it something you were passionate about? What’s the background on that? I wish it
to a certain extent, man, what I’ve learned to be 100% factual, is that if you do the right thing, the right thing happens, right? It’s such an easy concept. But it’s something that so many people, they either don’t know if they don’t believe. Fact is, they take the if you make the right choice, then another door will open. And if you walk through that door, another door will open. And that’s how entrepreneurship has been for me. Right. Again, going back to the basic text, you know, I said one of the things that says is, you know, we are
We must have a psychic change, right, which basically is a complete change of your ideas, your beliefs, your morals, your values, the way that you think and the way that you do, right. And there’s a there’s a huge argument in the psychology field,
which by the way, I went to school for psychology. In early recovery, I went back to school, and I became a alcohol and drug counselor. And then I became an interventionist, which I’ll get to in a second, but when I was in school, the argument was, you have to think your way into new action. And the flip side was you have to act your way into new thinking. Right? And I didn’t know which one was right or which one was wrong. So I just did both.
And I thought different and that worked out for you. It works wonderfully, right. I went back to school. I got a job in treatment.
One of my good friends, he he had a connection at a residential treatment center in San Diego and I started working there basically as a support staff while I was continuing to go to school to get my kid back, and in that process, I just excelled man, I found my niche, I found my passion. Right. And I just want to say this, that for anyone listening that’s maybe in early recovery or not in recovery at all or thinking about it or struggling. What I’ve found to also be true is that when you take away something that works for so long, like alcohol and drugs, like you have to find an equal or greater replacement, right otherwise, there’s no chances sustainable recovery, there’s no chance that long lasting recovery. And for me, what I know is that that that equal or greater
Substitute has been purpose has been passion. I found my passion and my purpose, very early in recovery. And that was helping others. Right. And then, you know, a few years later, I realized that I’m really good at business too. And that became another passion. And you know what? I’m looking for that next passion and purpose because I’m continually growing right. But passion, purpose is what set me free. And I learned working as a support staff, and I’m really good at it. I’m able to connect with people, but also I really love it, man. And so I met a guy who does interventions. And he was like, kid, you got something. I don’t know what it is, but you got something. So he hired me to come on interventions with them, and basically go to the intervention, sit in the intervention, watch the whole process, learned the whole process, and then when whoever the intervention was being done on needed to go
Go out and have a cigarette, I would go out and have a cigarette with them and talk to them one on one as appear and be like, Hey, man, you can do this. You can, you know, and it was it works. It was highly successful. And then I became an interventionist working with them. And then
now this is the dark side of, you know, recovery and really addiction treatment is I was working for another residential treatment center. And
I By this time, I had become basically like part of the program, developer, director, if you will. And they started doing things. I saw them doing things now at a business level, that I didn’t be very unethical. Right. We were, we were keeping clients that we couldn’t treat. We were paying. We were charging families money for stuff that we couldn’t do. We were We were buying clients. We were doing
Some things that were unethical, and it was against my morals. And so I brought this up with the ownership. And they were basically like Roman, we appreciate your feedback, man, but, but this is our business. And it is a business and we’re going to keep doing what we do. You do what we tell you.
And it was my first introduction to any shakiness in the addiction treatment. I’d never experienced that before. And I started researching it. And I learned a lot and I learned that it’s really common for these things to happen, which is really unfortunate. So I quit my job. I quit a really good job and I walked away. And in that I, I had been thinking about doing my own treatment center for a while, but I didn’t think I had the skills or the knowledge or the know how or I just didn’t think I could do it. You know, and I quit my job and I tattooed my hands
Part of the reason I tattooed my hands was because I really wanted to open my own treatment center. But I knew that I was never going to do that because I can always go work for somebody else. And I figured if I touch you my hands, no one will hire me and I’ll have to do my own thing. Right. That’s incredible. That’s that burning boats mentality, man. Yeah, I wouldn’t recommend that so awesome.
are in the boat ever? Do me if I do this? That’s great word for love. It was not it was not smart. But you know, I knew that for me. It was going to catapult me into something different. And within two months, I went completely broke. I couldn’t pay my electric bill. My daughter was just born and
we couldn’t pay rent and we’re eating top ramen soup every night. And for like five or six days, I said, You know what, screw it.
I’m going to do this, I’m going to make this happen. I am making it happen. I am doing it. I’m setting the intention, and I’m doing the action. And I went out there, and I worked every single day for a week and a half. And I just reached out to people, I make connections, ask people things, just that. And I got my first client as an own. My own businessman, I got my first client, which led to two clients, which led to three clients, which led to 10 clients, which led to me opening my first business, sober life coach, and open that was one of my best friends.
And we opened up that business now at the same time. One of my mentors and my really good friends. He was opening a treatment center out on the East Coast, and he wanted to bring me on as the program director. So I was flying back and forth from the East Coast working with him building his treatment center, which was going to be a detox residence on PHP IoT
And I learned the whole process, I learned how he opened the center, I learned how he did his business plan, how he did his financing, what he did with insurance, I learned everything right? While I was, you know, building up my own Africa coaching program. And at the end of that, you, it was time for me to go move to DC to do that. And I said, No. And this was my mentor. And one of my best friends, I tell now, I said, If I do that, like, I’ll never do my own thing. I’ll never do my own thing. If I go work for you, and I love you, and I believe in you. But if I don’t work for you, I’m selling out of myself. And I can’t do that. So I stayed. I didn’t go. He went out there. He’s been successful, and he does a dynamite program. And it says, and I love them and I’m so proud of them. But it says I had to go do my own thing. And so sober life coach blew up and saying
Diego, it was wildly successful, which led me to the next thing, which is to build my own treatment center. So me and my good friend, we started sober life recovery solutions, which is a treatment center down in San Diego. And we did that. And it was successful, it blew up. It was dynamite. It was everything that we had imagined, come to reality. And I got hooked on entrepreneurism. So instead of settling for that, man, I went to the next thing. I started another program out in Brooklyn with a really good friend of mine and Africa coaching program out there. Right. And then earlier this year, I went back to San Diego, and I started fearless method, because I was I was moving away from addiction treatment been doing that for so long. And I was like, You know what, I have skills that might be useful for other people who aren’t suffering from addiction or alcoholism. So me and a good friend who’s not
in recovery, we started the fearless method, which is a 12 week online course and motivational intelligence. It’s basically taking all the things that I learned in recovery and learning leadership, all these academies and seminars and trainings, I did sprinkle it in with the principles that we find in 12 step programs, and some of the lessons and teachings the most. And together we got, we got together with a psychologist who was triple board certified, and he did all the science to back our program. And we built an online course where people that everyday average Joe can take this course. And it would blow their mind it was it would explode their mind it would teach them you know about fear it would teach them about judgment and bias and teach them about motivation. And it was it was such an amazing experience. It was my first dive outside of treatment. It was really successful. It was a program that really worked
And I, you know, we were fence now changing it and developing it to be a live training that we’re going to start doing probably near the end of this year. But something happened, you know, a couple months ago and that was that my grandfather, he became very ill. So he moved back in with my parents up on the Central Coast. At the same time My mother was getting sick. And I had basically not retired, but I had taken some time off to travel the world and, and really soak in the fruits of my labor. And you know, we had the all the businesses and all that they were all self supporting. They were running stuff, I had no participation. So I just packed up my bags and I moved back up to the central coast to be closer to my family. My grandfather, unfortunately passed away last month, but he was able I was able to spend some time with him and he was able to meet my daughter
And we were able to have closure. And now I live up here and, you know, my kids get to see their grandparents and and it was, it’s been great, you know, being part of family and it’s come full circle, you know, but
but I got the itch, man, I got the edge and entrepreneurism. I love deeply. So I started a new business. I came up here and I was like, all right, what am I good at? I’m good at I’m good at starting treatment centers or coaching programs. So I follow the paperwork and I started slow addiction, which is basically coaching counseling, intervention services.
All the above, right. So I started that program. And then I started reaching out to local resources because I hadn’t been in this area for a long time. I wanted to know what was around. And in the process of that I came upon I stumbled
Upon a program called The Haven that pismo and while I was interviewing them, to find out who they were, what they do, and this and that, I was able to meet with the clinical director, the executive director, and the owner. And I sat in a room with them for two hours. And after two hours, they said, Would you come work for us? And, you know, I was so against working for anyone else, you know, because I tested my hands and I’ve been doing it myself and I’m an entrepreneur, I’m super successful, I will put tons of businesses, I never need to work for anyone else, you know, but what I also know is that humility is one of them the biggest principles
that it’s not always about me.
And that recovery is not about me and that the businesses aren’t about me.
It’s not about me, man, the world doesn’t revolve around me. And although I’m very good at certain things, and I’ve done a lot of great things. At the end of the day, man, it’s not about me. And here was a program in my hometown that had all the bells and whistles was exactly what I wanted to start here. They already had it. And they had a need for me.
And they asked me and I said, Yeah, I said, Yeah, man. I’ll go crazy. To be able to like to put on the because, you know, so many people, I everybody can say, I’m extremely humble. I’m the most humble person in the world. I am so humbled, you will never meet anybody as humble as me. But to have scaling grown businesses, and I mean, I’ve I see a lot of parallels in your story like
several of the companies that I’ve built from the ground up self
Supporting like, I’ve spent weeks on vacation and still have money coming in like they run themselves, thousands of customers, dozens of employees, like all these things, putting systems in place, what would you say is the number one or two most important things to be able to grow and scale organizations the way that you have?
Man, it’s crazy man. I went to a lot of business seminars and stuff because that’s not my background businesses and my background. And for the first couple businesses, I sucked, right? I didn’t know what I was doing, you know, go to other I was going all these seminars and I was hearing these really successful business people and you know, I got to hang out with Tony Robbins and meet Grant Cardone and Gary van der Chuck and spend time and talk to these people. And they hit me, man, that what made me good at being a drug and alcohol counselor
was my passion and my
Love, and being able to have compassion.
And I think that’s what makes me good at business is that I’m passionate about it. That for me, man, of course, business is about making money. Right? You don’t start a business for any other reason to make money.
Or do you? See, I had to question that, because that’s what I was taught. businesses make money. What’s sure that makes sense? Right? But why are we doing anything? If making money is my only goal, I’m doing something wrong, man. Because there’s a greater there’s there’s a greater purpose. There’s a greater game at play. Right? So for me, it’s about making sure that my passion aligns with my business. And look, man, I’m probably going to start or be part of
at least 30 more businesses before I am off this earth. I love it, man.
I’m like, What
The next one going to be, right. I’m constantly looking at what’s trending, what the future holds where the future of addiction treatment is going, where the future businesses going on constantly meeting people that have great business ideas. And I’m like, dude, let’s do them all. Because what I’ve realized in doing them is it’s possible. See, what I thought for a long time was impossible, is actually possible. And not only is it possible, but I can do it. And if I can do it, anyone else can do it. So I’m great. I’m deeply passionate about teaching others, helping others training others, become a trainer. I do training and workshops and seminars myself now. And that’s the thing I teach man is passion. If you don’t have the passion, it’s not going to work. Not only that discipline. Now one of my favorite lines of the basic text is alcoholics are undisciplined. That’s the whole sentence right. And now couldn’t be more true. We as humans are undisciplined. It takes a lot of practice, practice discipline. If you have discipline and you have passion, you can do it. You can do anything. And I plan on doing everything. There are many things I want to do, and I’m going to do them all. But above all else, I want other people to do those things, too. Because I look around me, and I see people I grew up with, and I see people in my community that is living, you know, mediocre lives, that aren’t passionate about anything that they’re dead. They stopped growing man, they’re dying now. And I see that not only in my community but the world. And it makes me sad, man. It makes me really sad. Because I know that there’s a solution, not only for alcoholics and drug addicts, there’s a solution for everyone and, and in finding that solution, it could unlock happiness.
And not only that, but you can create something out of it and create something out of it that can help others. And I think, for me, that’s it. Yeah, I think anyone can hear that passion in your voice to that. It’s not just like regurgitating something that you’ve just told a million people and like, oh, here’s the story again, like, let me tell you, I am a passionate person, but you know, just that. Just that excitement behind everything that you’re saying, Man, like, you can feel that and you can see that in just everything that you’re doing. So I want to be conscious of your time. I know you’re very busy man. Where can people find you online? Learn More. Well, I mean, I just go to my Instagram sober, bro. That’s where I post a lot. And I actually, I actually control that account. So for a while I didn’t because my life was crazy hectic and I had five businesses all at the same time. So I didn’t do any social media, but I
I had some complaints. And I listened to people. And I got humble. And I said, You know what? You’re right. Like, if, if I’m putting stuff out there, I need to be authentic. I need to be real. I need to be genuine. So I actually control that account. And I respond and I reply to everyone that messages so you can reach me there. You can reach me on Facebook, Facebook’s good.
You can see my music and my podcasts are all on
iTunes, Spotify, SoundCloud, YouTube, everywhere there is my album is called bipolar. I’m working on my second album. And yeah, my documentary is actually my documentaries been taken down. But if you’d like to have access to it, go ahead and message me on any platform and I’ll gladly send it to you. It was amazing vice media came out and they filmed the whole thing. It was a great experience and actually
Turned out to be an incredible documentary. So, listen, man, I strongly believe although I’m in the business of helping people and, and it is a business to me, I still believe in the idea that it should be for fun and for free. So I have no problem anytime ever having a conversation with anyone. I have private coaching packages. I have other things I have my fearless method I have other businesses, but just on a one on one basis if you’re struggling with addiction, alcoholism, or maybe you’re sober but you’re spinning your wheels you don’t know what you want to do. You don’t know what where you want to go, man. Reach out. Let’s talk. That was me. I was there. If you have a loved one that is struggling with addiction or alcohol with
you’re spinning your wheels and you don’t know what to do reach out, man, I can help. there’s a solution to your problems, man. And if you’re just
the average person that’s not struggling with those things, but you know that there’s more to life than you’ve experienced. And you want to talk about that. Reach out, man. Let’s talk about that. And here’s the solution to that too. And, yeah, so reach out. No thanks. I’m here. I’m here for people, man. I love people. As you already said, I’m deeply passionate about this. This is uh,
this has been a great podcast man. I appreciate you having me on and talking about that.
You got me lit up!